In the following classic post, still available in Google, Ken claims to have been affiliated with the Electronic Frontiers Foundation in 1980. However, the EFF did not even exist until ten years later.
From: "Kenneth Pangborn" <kenpangborn@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: CALL FOR CENSORSHIP Re: A modest proposal - robocancel
all of these "mixmaster" things.
Date: 2000/08/12
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> In alt.privacy.anon-server Kenneth Pangborn <kenpangborn@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> > Here is your problem,Steve. While Deja etc
ARE sites where you can
get immediate accounts free and easy, Deja WILL yank you as fast as
they put
you up. Abuse their service and you instantly vaporize, UNLIKE Cotse.
> The key difference is that deja is a BUSINESS, and Deja could care
less
about freedom of speech. If someone complains, they will yank
any account
without really looking in order to spare themselves the hassle of a
lawsuit.
Their terms are draconian in order to ensure that their users can not
sue
them for pulling the account. Because, Deja is NOT about freedom
of speech,
its about making a profit.
Steve this is self-serving claptrap. I love how you
wear the mantle of
savior so well. Only YOU are interested in "freedom of speech!" The
sanctimony is on a par with Jimmy Swaggarts ranting on stage before
he got
caught with the hooker. Do you REALLY think that YOU are the ONLY one
on the
net that cares about freedom of speech? I suppose you have heard of
the
"Electronic Frontier Foundation" Steve? I was a supporter of that 20
years
ago. Do you know what EFF is about? Or are you just riunning away with
your
self importance as ***THE** sole savior of freedom of speech on the
internet? Deja is NOT nearly as flippant as you pretend. Of course
they are
a business, and of course they don't want to be sued. Do you think
YOU are
immune? Do you think you cna tell a judge or jury, "I AM SPECIAL,
I AM the
ONLY one PROTECTING FREEDOM OF SPEECH" so *I* don't have to obey ANY
of your
silly rules!
> Cotse is not about buckling to the spineless forces of political
correctness. Some people are willing to stand for the principles and
ideals
of freedom of speech and will not turn on their users without
just cause.
That is why you will probably never be satisfied with Cotse's
response to
any complaint you have.
Nope Steve you are right. I will Not accept your
LAME defense of people
who HARASS people and DEEPLY DESIRE to cause others HARM using YOUR
service,
such as trying desperately to incite the rape and brutalization of
the wives
and children of people they have "MARKED" on the net. Posting names,
addresses, descriptions and making forged posts appearing to be from
the
women in SEX PERVERTED newsgroups to cause that to happen and YOU refusal
to
do anything about that.
While I know you think you know a VAST amount about
the law
Steve, I suggest you speak to a REAL lawyer and have somebody explain
some
things about criminal law for you. To wit, how you can make yourself
an
"ACCESSORY to a crime. TRY to think about the personal repercussions
should
somebody actually follow Moore's entreaties and go rape one of the
women he
has "MARKED" via YOUR service. And perhaps like one guy did in
New
Hampshire, actually commit a rather gory rape and murder. I listen
to all
your EXCUSES and rationalizations and how you try to USE "freedom of
speech"
as a shield. I know, from having read your responses that you are a
man
without a capacity to feel responsible. Frankly, Steve, I find you
to be as
sociopathic as some of your users. You seem incapable of making
a
distinction between blowing the whistle on some illegal acts, and trying
to
foster the rape of a child. THAT, sir, is my ONLY problem with
you. I do
NOT buy for a picosecond that in order to get free information into
Iran,
Cuba, China etc we MUST also put up with antics such as Moore's! And
the
more you attempt to make that argument the more you diminish your own
credibility. It is insulting. I can't help but wonder if you have the
capacity to care about anyone enough so you would understand why people
are
bothered by what has been going on. I find it interesting that you
two have
been working so hard to DEFEND Mr.. Moore's behavior and SELL that
it is all
part of "FREEDOM OF SPEECH." It is NOT! It NEVER has been.
Not under our legal system. Yahoo is facing a lawsuit that is likely
to
break the company because THEY wouldn't listen either. Maybe it is
impossible to reason with you Steve. But someday somebody will sue
you into
reason. (Not a threat.) It is as inevitable as the lawsuits against
Yahoo
and AOL were. Get too arrogant and sanctimonious and somebody is gonna
bring
you down.